March 27, 2004
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Last night I went to Amedical Idol at school. If you didn't guess, it was put on by the med students. It was wonderful. I totally recommend anyone to go see it (tonight's the last night). I think that admission at the door is like 9 $ and it all goes to charity.
I had no idea that so many of the med students were so talented... there was a group of french guys who did this monk-like chant called "Yo-Yo- chanson francophone" or something like that. That was cool because it had a great rhythm. And there was other singing and dancing acts that were also totally great. One of my favourites was The Amazing Matt Balancing Act. And no, they didn't balance some guy named Matt, he did the balancing. On his chin. The first thing that he did was a hockey stick. Pretty cool. Next he did a wok. Cool again, but not extraordinary. Then he did a full sized street bicycle, with the wheel spinning. Damn cool. Then he did a full sized folding table (like the big heavy kind that they have at churchs and bake sales). Remember, he's doing this on his chin. I won't give away what he did at the end, but it was impressive too.
One of the cool things that I sort of missed with my experience at U of O was the professors involvement. Many of their prof's (and deans!) were there, in some of the acts, and some video's making fun of themselves. They all really had a great sense of humour. They did such a good job. Bravo!
Listening to: Matthew Good Band - Strange Days
Posted by jim at March 27, 2004 11:20 AM
Sorry to be off topic, but i was entertaining myself with some of Nortel's blogs from a month or so ago and i saw that both you and Nortel questioned why women pose for nudy mags when 'it is so objectifying'. I have, over the last few months, pondered this question too, and i hopefully have a little insight into the matter. I would have responded directly to the Nortel's blog, but it was so old that i was afraid that it would never be noticed. If you are interested in my thoughts, then let me know. If not, then please just ignore this off-topic reply.
Nortel = Karen according to the word of Cooter Hammond (aka Scott)
Cooter, post away. It's not too off topic for this post. I was just posting this in the hope that other people would check out the show, but I think that it's over now.
btw, if anyone is interested, the last thing that Matt balanced on his chin was a guitar, while he was playing another guitar. Then he "threw" the guitar (while still playing) to his assistant... cool.
As for the reason that some women pose for nudy mags while others complain that it is objectifying, is this:
(To keep in mind - i'm not talking about you, if you are a woman, or any of the people that you know, of course, because this could never be you or any of your friends. You can't be stereotyped. Of course not. And your Hallmark card is in the mail. You're exceptional. Congratulations!)
Well, you know how when primative guys go to bars they are looking for women, with sex on their minds? And, you know how it rarely turns out that way for the primate? Well, that's because women think differently than guys. When primative women, and even most of the more advanced women, go to bars, they aren't looking for sex. Instead, they are looking for *attention*. Ever see the market on a Friday or Saturday nite? See how much skin is flaunted by the ladies? Why would they flaunt so much skin when they aren't seeking sex and when they know how primative guys are? Hmmmm.... maybe it's just really hot out; too hot for clothes - even in -5 degree weather that i went out in a few weeks ago where i spotted quite a few mini skirts and a whole lot of cleavage.
Why do so many women where makeup, religiously? Notice how lipstick is often red, cheeks are rouged, eyebrows are tweezed to look attentive, and eyes are highlighted. All four are natural behaviors of a woman who is sexually turned on. (Lips and cheeks turn red because of heightened blood flow, and eye brows are raised and eyes are highlighted because of interest or smiling.) In nature, this is how a woman subliminally indicates to a man that she is interested in him, sexually. But, if they aren't turned on, then why would they want to look like they are? Hmmm... Notice that (straight) men aren't so deceitful? It's because men don't crave attention. They only want to look sexual when they actually want sex. It's the reason why some women are referred to as 'teases'.
This attention is craved by women to make them feel better. I'm not sure of the reason for the craving. It may be hardwiring, it may be installed by society, but either way, it's just how women are. It's like a lack of self esteem, in the same way that girls entering grade nine are much more likely to start smoking.
So why do women pose for nudy mags while others complain about it being objectifying? Well, it is objectifying, but women do it because, besides the money, it draws a lot of attention, and getting a lot of attention helps the self esteem. But please, ladies, the ounce of self esteem gained for one is not worth the larger raze for the whole.
Now, of course, men pose for nudy mags too, but they do it for different reasons and don't complain about the side effects of it. So don't start that rebuttal. And, of course, i'm not *sure* about the reasoning for posing, but this is where my research has led my opinion. Some of the reasoning, like what men and women seek at bars, actually comes from the mouths of men and women themselves, respectively. Some of the rest is just experience mixed with speculation. I'll keep researching though.
On a side note, a US University study shows that when men look at women, they look at the parts. But, when women look at men, they look at the whole. I guess that men just have more attention to detail. Ahmm.
Someone's been watching TLC.
Oh, and did i somehow forget to mention boob jobs? Silly me.
Very interesting and insightful post. If I may, I would like to add to it ...
The reason why most women (not all, no stereotyping, Hallmark card and so on ..) are craving attention is not so much for attention's sake, but for the purpose of attracting a mate. Just like men are hard-wired to seek sex, women are hard-wired to seek a strong, dependable mate who will provide for them and for their offspring. It's all in the biology; men can 'spread their seed' with numberous women over their lifetime, but women can only reproduce every nine months or so. So not only do they want to attract the strongest mate who will be most able to provide for them, they want to keep him, ensuring no other women gets him. Hence the makeup and all the tricks and games that women play to hold onto a man.
As to why women would pose, I think (and this is my opinion, there are probably many, if not all, women and men who would disagree with me) is that they are being deceived by a multi-million (billion?) dollar industry. They think that they are asserting their independence and how special they are, but all they are doing is letting dirty old men and horny teenagers get off in the bathroom while staring at their body parts.
Where does the Nortel nickname come from?
I think it comes from the brochure that all the first year engineering students got from Nortel that had a picture and a brief article about me ... though I never realized it was a nickname until about an hour ago ...
I guess you never got the brochure ... it came with yummy cookies :)
Yeah, I was in 3rd year computer engineering when you guys were in 1st year software engineering. :)
I did get a lot of Nortel brochures over the years but I didn't know the softies back then.
I'm surprised, Karen. In fact, the nickname does come from the Nortel brocher that was sent to the Nortel-scholarship kids in the summer before first year. I didn't notice the article, though. The reason for the nickname is that i was introduced to the picture of you before you, personally. So, when i first saw you in person, i was thinking 'damn, i know her from somewhere'. Later, i refound the brocher, and was like 'hey, that's the Nortel girl'.
As for your reasoning for why women crave attention, it seems a little off, in my opinion. When i wrote about women craving attention, i meant that they crave attention *and nothing else*. Meaning, they don't want to attract men and keep one of them, *they just want the attention*. Attention is the ultimate goal. If it wasn't, then they would only welcome the sexual attention from men who they were intending to persue, and reject the rest. That's not what happens though. Men use attention for the purpose of relationships (of whatever type). And men and women behave completely differently.
For example, the stat could be something like this: (Note: Kibbee's would be more like 10,10,80, but he doesn't count)
% Rejected completely 80 80
% For Attention, only 0 15
% For Relationship 20 5
(Of course, i'm sure that most people would reject higher than 80% of people, but i had to make it this way to show the differences between the Attention-onlys and Relationships.)
Thus, there is a one-to-one mapping for men between the number of women that they give attention to to the number of women that they want (some kind) a relationship with. It's not that way for women. Thus, men use want attention for the result of a relationship, and women want 75% or the attention that they attract just for the attention.
That's what i have read/been told/noticed, anyway.
On another topic, you know how primative women seek security in men (like primative seek sex from women) as discussed a while back? Well, hundreds of years ago (like caveman days), security was shown by the strength (muscles) of the man, since he could provide (hunt, gather, kill, build, etc.) with his big muscles better than a scrawny man. Now, big muscles are nearly obsolete, and men often provide ($) with their brains.
So, although, women used to be more attracted to the built man (Jimmy), are they now, against their biology, more attracted to the smart man (Jim)? (Not that Jimmy is dumb, he's just the only Heman that i can think of.)
Wow, Cooter, you are dazzling us with your expertise in what women really want. I have learned so much that I never new about women before. I hope you will let us know when the book is coming out ;OP
And all this time I thought that woman liked me *because* I am "the built man"? Who knew?
Laura, do you get offended by generalizations (knowledge) about groups that you happen to fall into? Or, are you just attempting at some humor?
If you are offended, then i can only see 2 reasons why. Both have justifications that may console you:
1) You don't like generalizations about groups that you are a part of.
Consolation - There are just as many generalizations about groups that you don't belong to. For instance, on average, men are dumber than women. It just so happens that i am interested in any of those generalizations at this time. Plus, Jim and Karen brought up this issue. I just referred to it. And, the generalizations aren't insults, just explanations. No one is saying that craving attention is wrong. No one is saying that craving sex is wrong. These are just natural behaviors.
2) You don't like generalizations in general.
Consolation - generalizations are the foundation of knowledge. Is the sun going to come up tomorrow? I'm not an *expert*, and I'd say yes, but why? Because, based on it coming up every day before tomorrow, i *generalize* that it will come up tomorrow. Will you ever die? I'd suggest yes, but why? I bet we can all figure out why. Do either question require an expert for a satisfactory answer. I'd say no. David Hume (Great Philosopher) has written books on the our use of generalizations, if you are interested.
I'm not claiming to be an expert, but i make sure that my eyes are open to the behavior of others. And, from all of my experience, from what i read, and from what i'm told, these conclusions form. Perhaps my conclusions are wrong, but unless you have a better explanation (argument) for the behavior on topic, you can't just go ad hominem (anyone know what that means?) and reject it information.
I could continue, but i'm tired of writing.
Rejecting what? I really was wondering about the book. You seem to be quite passionate about this topic, and from these posts alone there is plenty to pull together to give you a good start. I would call it "Cooter Hammond's Take On Being A Woman". I just hope that you will sign my copy. Please remember us when you are famous! :OD
(Possibility #3: I am a huge smart ass and could not resist making a comment.)
Is it just me or do you sound as though you're accusing women of something here?
It should say 'reject information' not 'reject it information'. By 'reject information', i mean, if there is reasoning for a conclusion and you don't like the conclusion, you can't just ignore the conclusion unless you have *reasoning* to think otherwise.
For instance, if i say that smoking kills you, and i have justifiable reasons for saying so, someone else can't just say that they like smoking, so i'm wrong.
And, no, i am not planning on writing a book. I just have certain ideas on things, and when others (Karen and Jim) have questions that i might be able to answer, i try. Some of the ideas that i post i am not sure about. But, by enticing you to reply, i gain more information to develop more accurate generalizations from. See, you are an important part of the process too. But, unfortunately, ad hominems are useless to the process.
And, Liz, i am not accusing, i am justifying. There's a huge difference. Do you accuse people of eating because they are hungry? No, but you can justify it that way. Like i said, there are no wrong or rights. I'm not here to judge, just explain or justify. Did i ever say that women or men were right, wrong, or better? Nope, since there is no criteria to judge 'right', 'wrong', or 'better' upon. And, personally, i don't think that my *personal* opinions are that valuable. But valid arguments are educational, and therefore highly valuable.
Go outside, Cooter. It's a beautiful day out there.
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